isn`t there enough evidence to acknowledge the god of the bible has been a failure ?according to wt / jw teachings ?.
a god that has supposed to have created the visible universe and everything in it ?.
some points where i would challenge that from an earthlings point of view using the bible if only in paraphrase.. doesn`t god create everything perfect ?
Smiddy,
You didn't answer my question:
I only see three choices regarding sin and death:
1. God can enable it by forever letting it happen
2. God could make it impossible through instinctual programming and loss of free will
3. God can judge sin
Do you see ANY another possibility?
It's not a trick question. If you don't see any other possibilities regarding sin/evil, which one makes the most sense to you?
The term "Symbolic" is another way of saying that you don't believe a bible verse; and since you are the only one that has the correct "key" of your declared symbols, people should listen to you instead.
this experience was posted about a year ago.
it seems like a crackpot co was giving his prediction of what "might possibly happen in the future" .
now it seems like he wasn't such a crackpot after all.. quote.
Is this New Light coming or just some crackpot?There's a difference?
Sounds to me what a bunch of Macallan sipping CO's (and Elder "heavies") might sit around a speculate.
I have heard similar speculations from those "in charge". I can totally see some spouting this kind of unbiblical nonsense.
it hard to believe------you don't have the truth.. sometimes, for many----it takes half of your life -- or more---to figure it out.
it was like swimming upstream with lead boots pulling you back in.
and the closer you got to the "real" truth----the further away you strayed from your intimate group.
Hi Jes,
Welcome to the forum. The WT lied to you about God, our health, salvation, proper relationship to governmental authorities.... its a very long list.
When a person leaves the WT, the person has to start over, from the beginning and rebuild a value and belief system.
JWESCAPE.com has a YouTube Channel where the WT and conventions are examined critically from a common sense and Christian point of view.
The owner, Elaine is a 2nd gen JW born-in who hasn't seen her mother in 30 years. I would recommend starting there. Lots of good folks there and in their private FB group.
my wife and i have been together for 12 years.
married for 6. she was born into the truth, i studied for 2 years before we got married.
we would attend meetings on a weekly basis, go to conventions, and memorial every year.
Sorry to hear that worstfear. Protect yourself, love yourself ..... get a vision and move on. You are worth it. You will figure out where the wheels came off in time. Do not punish yourself..... get some counseling and get a vision and move on.
You will heal.
i’m reservations, pimo elder.
i’m in no position to leave the organisation, maybe some people will see that as weak or whatever, but we have to all go down our own path in life.. i would like to be able to wake people up in my congregation, how do you think best to do this?
any ideas?.
I would like to be able to wake people up in my congregation, how do you think best to do this?
There is an ancient Navajo proverb that states, "you cannot wake a man pretending to be asleep". You'll never "wake" this kind of person up.
The other kind wake up slowly. Maybe give those a little shake as you continue your journey elsewhere.
which one do you prefer?
zoom meetings or at the kingdom hall?
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Congratulations brooklynNY. Welcome to freedom.
isn`t there enough evidence to acknowledge the god of the bible has been a failure ?according to wt / jw teachings ?.
a god that has supposed to have created the visible universe and everything in it ?.
some points where i would challenge that from an earthlings point of view using the bible if only in paraphrase.. doesn`t god create everything perfect ?
S3,
I only see three choices regarding sin and death:
1. God can enable it by forever letting it happen
2. God could make it impossible through instinctual programming and loss of free will
3. God can judge sin
Do you see ANY another possibility?
just recently the stone pyramid monument at c t russell's grave site was taken away by the wts.. six screens of the watchtower did a public discussion about the removal which may be still on that web site, that's where i heard about it.. it had been recently vandalized such the top head piece was removed and the carved christian cross on the monument was chiseled off.. since the wts owns that grave site, they have the right to do whatever they want to do with it.. my guess is that they will never put it back or redo the damage.. i think they will put it away in a obscure place and cover it, locked up somewhere.. the wts.
has never been proud or willingly open about that monument for obvious reasons such as being associated in false religion, which they claim they are not and they admonish other christian faiths are.. your thoughts ?
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It's just so obvious that it was someone associated with the Jdubs that damaged it. Perhaps even the Org itself.
My thought exactly redvip2000.
Why chisel off the cross? Active dubs reject the cross.
isn`t there enough evidence to acknowledge the god of the bible has been a failure ?according to wt / jw teachings ?.
a god that has supposed to have created the visible universe and everything in it ?.
some points where i would challenge that from an earthlings point of view using the bible if only in paraphrase.. doesn`t god create everything perfect ?
Doesn`t God create everything Perfect ? Including the Angels ? and humans ? We know why humans fell short out of their perfection according to WT/ Bible ,ultimately because of deception by an Angel designated as Satan .
Isnt that a failure ?
My take: God is love. Love cannot be demanded. It must be given. That requires free-will. True free will requires the possibility of evil, rejection etc. Creating the conditions necessary for love is a good and perfect thing in the end, even if costly.
